Stop Numbing Out — Awe, Presence, and Feeling Alive Again | Caroline Paul
5/13/20261 hr 10 min
Astronauts come back from space describing the same strange shift:
a sudden connection to humanity, compassion for living things, and this visceral understanding of how fragile Earth really is.
They call it the overview effect.
Caroline Paul has spent years thinking about a version of that shift closer to home—through flying, through attention, and through awe. And her new book, Why Fly, is built around that question: what changes in us when the world suddenly feels bigger than our problems?
In this conversation, we get into the takeaways you can actually use: how to practice presence without turning your life into a self-improvement project, why awe can act like a mental reset, and how adventure—done thoughtfully—can help you move through hard seasons with more clarity and courage.
If you enjoy conversations that are equal parts story and usable insight, you’ll probably want Why Fly on your nightstand.
Caroline’s work is a gift. Enjoy!
Why Fly: https://www.carolinepaul.com/why-fly
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First 90 secondsCaroline Paul· Guest0:00
They've interviewed astronauts about what it feels like to see Earth from the space station or from the Artemis, for instance. A lot of them feel a sudden connection to humanity. They feel compassion for all living things. They come home, honestly, and become environmentalists. They see how fragile our Earth is. It is a profound shift in their thinking about their place in the world, too, and I was wondering, oh, well, if astronauts feel that, and space is 62 miles above Earth, can we feel that in low-level orbit?
Kush Khandelwal· Host0:31
Imagine it's early morning in San Francisco. Coffee's on, the city is still half asleep, fog hanging low over the rooftops, and somewhere inside all the quiet, there is a woman who's about to take her grief, her curiosity, and her nervous system and lift it into the sky. Caroline Paul is back. You might know her as a firefighter or a pilot or the author of Tough Broad, one of the books I have recommended the most over the last couple of years because it hits this nerve, that aging does not have to mean shrinking. Her new book is called Why Fly? And I will be honest, this one surprised me. I expected a book about bravery, and I got that. But I also got a book about reinvention when life cracks open. I got aviation history that reads like a thriller.