How to Find Joy in Hard Times (and When Your Brain Lies to You) | Jenny Lawson
3/30/202649 min
Humor won't cure depression. But it might save your life. That's not a metaphor for Jenny Lawson. It's the hard-won truth of more than two decades of living with treatment-resistant depression, anxiety, and the kind of dark seasons that make getting out of bed feel impossible.
Most of us hide when we're struggling. We perform wellness for the world and suffer in silence behind closed doors. Jenny took the opposite approach, writing about her darkest moments with such radical honesty and unexpected humor that thousands of people have written back to say those words kept them alive. This conversation explores how she does it, and what the rest of us can learn about finding light and meaning in the hardest places.
Jenny Lawson, known to millions as The Bloggess, is a #1 New York Times bestselling author, humorist, and the owner of Nowhere Bookshop, a beloved indie bookstore and bar in San Antonio, Texas. Her books include Let's Pretend This Never Happened, Furiously Happy, You Are Here, and Broken. Her upcoming book, How To Be Okay When Nothing Is Okay (Tips and Tricks that Kept Me Alive, Happy and Creative In Spite of Myself), arrives March 31, 2026.
You'll discover...
- The single phrase Jenny returns to during every depressive episode that stops her from believing the darkest lies her brain tells her
- A simple "easy mode" approach to work and daily life that gives you full permission to do less without guilt, and why it often leads to better results for everyone
- Why sharing your struggle honestly can create an unexpected ripple effect of connection and healing for people you've never met
- A powerful reframe of what success actually means that has nothing to do with money, status, or bestseller lists
- How to find "your people" and build real friendship even when you're deeply introverted, anxious, or terrible at texting back
If you're navigating a hard season right now, or you love someone who is, this conversation is full of practical warmth, unexpected humor, and real tools for getting
through it. Hit play and let Jenny remind you that you're not alone, and that finding joy in the middle of the mess isn't just possible, it might be the very thing that keeps you going.
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First 90 secondsJenny Lawson· Guest0:00
They called and they were like, "She didn't make it." And we were like, uh... You know, we were sad, but also she had always said like, "I wanted to go way before this anyway." So like, it was sad. Um, and then they called back, and they were like, "We got it wrong. She's still alive, but just barely." And w- I was like, "W- Okay." And then I had to call my sister, and I was like, "Sh- I guess she's alive again." And she's like, "Like, like a zombie? Like, we got a granny zombie?" I was like, "I don't know." And then my mom called again, and she's like, "She's dead this time for sure, I think. I don't know."
Jonathan Fields· Host0:28
So here's a question. What if the funniest person in the room is also the one hurting the most? And what if that combination isn't a contradiction or a delusion, but actually one of the most powerful tools that we have for surviving the hardest moments? My guest today is Jenny Lawson, also known as the Bloggess. She's a number one New York Times bestselling author and the owner of Nowhere Bookshop, a beloved indie bookstore and bar in San Antonio. And her new book, How to Be Okay When Nothing Is Okay, is just really powerful. Jenny has lived with treatment-resistant depression and anxiety for most of her life, and instead of hiding it, she's actually written about it with a level of honesty and often dark humor that has literally saved her life, and if you believe thousands of messages she's gotten in response, other people's lives too. In this conversation, we explore why your brain lies to you when you're struggling, a, a simple easy mode approach that gives you permission to do less without guilt,