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"You can't have more Milibands than women in top jobs" - Cain and Abel mark II

6/30/202629 min

There is considerable intrigue around Andy Burnham's possible cabinet, not least because the eldest Miliband brother is being linked to the position of Foreign Secretary. Are we about to see UK politic's Cain and Able story return for a second round? And most importantly, Is Andy Burnham ready?

Burnham's debut speech caused headlines with his bold plans to reshape the British state. But there are difficult questions lurking behind the rhetoric, namely what does any of it actually mean? Plus, Reform UK gears up to choose their top candidates to challenge Burnham in his own backyard.

Steven Swinford, political editor, The Times

Lara Spirit, deputy political editor, The Sunday Times

Patrick Maguire, chief political commentator, The Times

Producers: Euan Dawtrey, Harry Kitson

Executive producer: Molly Guinness

Picture: Getty Images

Audio: Reuters

Email us: thestateofit@thetimes.co.uk

00:00 The Return of David Miliband?

02:53 The Miliband Brothers Psychodrama

04:23 Labour's "Boys Club" Optics Problem

08:02 The Brutal Fight for Top Cabinet Jobs

11:20 How Burnham is Manipulating Westminster

13:56 Burnham vs Starmer: The Real Difference

16:27 The Hidden Cost of Devolution (Tax Rises?)

19:31 What is "Number 10 North" Really About?

22:31 Why the Tories Fear Ed Miliband as Chancellor

25:29 Nigel Farage's Secret Plot for the North

27:35 The £5 Million Farage Crypto Investigation

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