What we know about the emerging Iran deal - with Nadav Eyal and Mark Dubowitz
5/25/202640 min
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If Trump signs an interim deal with Iran, what leverage is left to to dismantle Iran's nuclear program?
As reports swirl around a possible U.S.-Iran agreement, Dan sits down with Nadav Eyal and Mark Dubowitz to sort through what’s actually on the table — and what could unravel next. The conversation centers around the core dilemmas facing Washington, Jerusalem, and the Gulf: whether this moment represents strategic containment of Iran or the beginning of a slow retreat from the leverage created by the war.
They debate the risks of a “Hormuz for Hormuz” deal, the future of Iran’s nuclear stockpile, the limits of economic pressure, and whether the military gains can survive a prolonged diplomatic pause. Hovering over the entire conversation is a deeper question: after months of escalation, what would victory look like now?
Chapters:
- What’s Actually in the Emerging U.S.-Iran Deal
- The “Hormuz for Hormuz” Tradeoff
- Iran’s Uranium Stockpile
- Could Trump Sustain Military and Economic Pressure?
- The Gulf States’ Interests
- Hezbollah, Lebanon, and the Axis of Resistance
- What Israelis Think of The Deal
- Will This Be Remembered as a Turning Point — or the Moment the West Blinked?
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