“The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves
6/23/202654 min
Rhiannon interviews Lisa Graves – right‑wing influence expert, former Justice Department official, co‑host of Legal AF, and founder of True North Research – about her latest book, Without Precedent: How Chief Justice Roberts and His Accomplices Rewrote the Constitution and Dismantled Our Rights.
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First 90 secondsRhiannon Hamam· Host0:00
I think of John Roberts as certainly the most destructive chief justice in my lifetime.
Leon Neyfakh0:05
[upbeat music] Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On today's special episode of 5 to 4, Rhiannon is interviewing Lisa Graves, an expert on right-wing influence and the author of the new book, Without Precedent: How Chief Justice Roberts and His Accomplices Rewrote the Constitution and Dismantled Our Rights. Rhiannon's conversation with Graves covers Roberts' self-styled image as a legal umpire and all the ways he has eroded longstanding constitutional protections against corruption, disenfranchisement, and executive overreach. Also discussed, what you can do about it. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court and Justice Roberts suck.
Rhiannon Hamam· Host0:51
All right. We want to welcome Lisa Graves to the podcast. Lisa is an author and expert on right-wing influence on the Supreme Court. She's the founder and executive director of True North Research and is a co-host of Legal AF. She has served as a senior advisor in all three branches of the federal government, including as chief counsel for nominations for the Senate Judiciary Committee for Senator Patrick Leahy. Lisa, this year, has written, published, released a book on Chief Justice John Roberts. It is called