The Founders of Claude AI Tell Oprah About the Impact Artificial Intelligence Has on Your Life
5/19/20261 hr 10 min
The siblings and co-founders of Claude AI, the CEO, Dario Amodei, and the President, Daniela Amodei, sit down with Oprah for an in-depth discussion on Artificial Intelligence and its profound impact on all of us. Anthropic is one of the largest tech companies leading AI development including their enormously popular chatbot assistant Claude. Dario and Daniela discuss the ethical responsibility and moral questions that come with creating advanced A.I., their new model Mythos and share their thoughts around government regulation. They talk about the potential risks and benefits of A.I. in everyday lives, the impact on jobs and how it will affect children. The Amodei siblings also explain their headline-making refusal of the Pentagon’s request to remove guardrails from Claude and the behind-the-scenes discussions that helped shape their decision. 00:00:00 - Welcome Daniela and Dario Amodei, founders of Anthropic 00:01:47 - Dario on human extinction 00:04:40 - What is the AI race 00:08:00 - Athropic’s safety concerns 00:09:26 - Why they are a public benefit corporation 00:11:20 - How the siblings formed Anthropic 00:13:00 - Can AI be created responsibly 00:14:12 - Benefits and the harms 00:18:52 - People falling in love with AI 00:20:30 - Claude and underage users 00:22:18 - How Claude does not incentivize users 00:28:33 - Anthropic’s refusal to remove guardrails 00:35:10 - Hard decisions they have had to make 00;38:35 - What regulation should look like 00:40:45 - Should people view AI negatively? 00:43:00 - The AI problem to solve 00:48:20 - Men use AI more than women 00:49:30 - What is Mythos 00:53:20 - Does this keep them up at night? 00:54:15 - What keeps ego in check 00:58:20 - Will they get this right? 00:59:15 - Are there others doing this responsibly? 01:03:25 - What is the meaning of a well-lived life? Follow Oprah Winfrey on Social: https://www.instagram.com/oprahpodcast/ https://www.facebook.com/oprahwinfrey/ Listen to the full podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/0tEVrfNp92a7lbjDe6GMLI https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-oprah-podcast/id1782960381 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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First 90 secondsOprah Winfrey· Host0:00
I was talking to parents recently who lost their son to suicide through a chatbot, and the parents don't even know they're speaking to them.
Daniela Amodei· Guest0:07
We don't allow users under the age of 18 to use Claude.
Oprah Winfrey· Host0:11
But how do you know they're not, they're not lying? Will we even be thinking anymore? [laughs] Will there be a need to think? What do you think of people falling in love with it now?
Dario Amodei· Guest0:19
I think that's a bad idea. Do you wanna be addicted to these things, or do you want them to help you live your life?
Oprah Winfrey· Host0:24
It, it goes back, I think, Dario, to what I'd read that you'd said before, that we can only diffuse this at the speed of trust.
Dario Amodei· Guest0:32
Trust.
Oprah Winfrey· Host0:33
At the speed of trust.
Dario Amodei· Guest0:34
Yes.
Oprah Winfrey· Host0:34
And trust is currently in short supply.
Dario Amodei· Guest0:37
Something is happening to humanity- Yes ... with this technology, bigger than anything that, you know, maybe has happened in hundreds of years. And so we need to find some way for everyone to be an active participant in what is happening.
Oprah Winfrey· Host0:51
Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Oprah Podcast. I'm here with two people who are shaping our present world and our future one, and I hear y'all don't love that description all the time, mm, but it's the truth. I think most people would agree that that is pretty accurate. Dario and Daniela Amodei head the global artificial intelligence company, they founded, Anthropic, which right now, at the time of this conversation, is reportedly valued at, uh, $900 billion, and over a million people a day are signing up for Claude. These are the parents of Claude.
Unknown speaker1:29
[laughs]