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The Covid Origin Story: What the CIA Really Found (Ep 2)

6/17/20261 hr 2 min

What do the CIA think caused the Covid pandemic? And did Trump and Biden sway the CIA’s intelligence assessments?

Listen as David and Gordon assess whether Trump and Biden played politics with the investigation into the origins of the Covid virus. 

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  1. David McCloskey· Host0:00

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  2. Gordon Corera· Host0:17

    [upbeat music] What did the CIA think caused the COVID pandemic? And did President Trump and Biden influence the intelligence community's assessments? Well, welcome to The Rest Is Classified. I'm Gordon Corera.

  3. David McCloskey· Host0:37

    And I'm David McCloskey.

  4. Gordon Corera· Host0:38

    And David, last time we left off with newly installed President Joe Biden turning to his spooks, to his intelligence community, to investigate this question of where the COVID virus had actually come from, and whether it had been naturally zoonotic origin, transferring from animals to humans, or whether it had somehow escaped a Chinese lab, the lab leak theory, which initially had been dismissed as a conspiracy theory, but which is going to become increasingly the focus of questions and of work by the intelligence community.

  5. David McCloskey· Host1:18

    And yeah, one, one, one thing I should say is I, I had not appreciated this distinction until I got deep into this series, is that the lab leak and the genetically modified

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