The Body Keeps The Score
6/18/20261 hr 50 min
You know that book your friend recommended? The one that rigorously describes the science of trauma, de-stigmatizes abuse and promotes effective treatments? Well here’s the thing: It doesn't actually do that.
Thanks to Emi Nietfield, Keith Cox, Lisa Starr, Kevin McGuire and everyone else who helped us research and fact-check this episode!
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Sources:
- What the Most Famous Book About Trauma Gets Wrong
- Trauma: A Genealogy
- Remembering Trauma
- Advocates of Research-Supported Treatments for PTSD are Losing
- Tell Me Why It Hurts
- ‘The Body Keeps the Score’ offers uncertain science
- Your Brain Is Not an Onion With a Tiny Reptile Inside
- PTSD and complex PTSD: a review of reviews
- What Does It Mean When 38% Forget?
- Multiple Identity Enactments and Multiple Personality Disorder: A Sociocognitive Perspective
- The Brain Is Adaptive Not Triune
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First 90 secondsMichael Hobbes· Host0:00
You have to do the thing or else like 300 people are gonna say it in our comments.
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:03
What?
Michael Hobbes· Host0:03
Let the bodies keep the score. Let the bodies keep the score.
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:05
Let the bodies keep the score. Let the bodies keep the score.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:08
The other one that somebody pointed out was, you know the ABBA song Winner Takes It All?
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:12
No, I do not.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:13
You can also do, the body keeps the score, which has been stuck in my head for like three weeks. [sighs] Sound off in the comments. [laughs] Are there any other songs?
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:21
What other songs match this book?
Michael Hobbes· Host0:23
Well, what do you have?
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:23
Oh, I was just gonna do that.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:25
Oh, wait, you actually were?
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:26
Yeah, of course. What else is there?
Michael Hobbes· Host0:27
[laughs] How can you even do that, though? You can't just chant and then the music kicks in.
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:31
Yes, I can. And- [laughs] Um- Wait, come up with a better one ... I can't believe I have to come up with a, a thing about trauma, a thing I don't understand at all.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:40
This is a great thing to announce right off the bat.
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:42
[laughs] Trauma, never looked into it myself.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:44
Could you do something with score? Like a, a soccer, like a sports- [laughs] Don't- ... sports pun?
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:49
Don't try to make me do sports.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:50
I don't know.
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:51
Dance for me, monkey. [laughs] Do a sports joke.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:53
[laughs] Well, you have to do something else. Have one. [laughs] All right. All right. Peter.
Peter Shamshiri· Host0:59
Michael.
Michael Hobbes· Host0:59
What do you know about The Body Keeps the Score?
Peter Shamshiri· Host1:02
All I know is that I've been told the score my body keeps is a 6.5 at best.
Michael Hobbes· Host1:07
[upbeat music] So the full title of the book is The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk. What