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But Nilay and David start the show by wondering, does that matter if nobody wants to put them on? What would it take to overcome the ear-smashing? After that, they discuss the reasons for (and problems awaiting) Fox's acquisition of Roku, the latest updates from Matter, Facebook's wild AI Mode, and more.\n\nFurther reading:\n\n- [Snap is finally about to ship AR glasses — and they cost a fortune](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950492/snap-specs-ar-glasses-launch-date-preorder)\n\n\n\n- [Snap Unveils Specs Smart Glasses at AWE 2026](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzd-k98ZkLY)\n\n\n\n- From CNBC: [Snap CEO Evan Spiegel on new AR Specs: New opportunity to bring computing to the world around you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9OzwbeQ_6g)\n\n\n\n- [Qualcomm’s latest chip hints that more powerful smart glasses could be on the way](https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/950229/qualcomm-snapdragon-reality-elite-xr-smart-glasses-wearables)\n\n\n\n- [The Microsoft Surface Laptop 8 and Surface Pro 12 now come with Snapdragon X2 chips](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950146/microsoft-surface-laptop-8-surface-pro-12-snapdragon-x2-specs-price)\n\n\n\n- [Commodore’s Callback 8020 is a retro flip phone with modern ideals](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950190/commodore-callback-flip-phone)\n\n\n\n- [Google’s first smart speaker in six years arrives next week](https://www.theverge.com/tech/951147/google-home-speaker-gemini-launch-date-price-specs-features)\n\n\n\n- [Fox is buying Roku](https://www.theverge.com/business/949727/fox-roku-acquisition-22-billion)\n\n\n\n- [Fox wants to take over your TV — and the tech inside it](https://www.theverge.com/streaming/950116/fox-roku-takeover)\n\n\n\n- [Netflix was reportedly worried about antitrust scrutiny if it bought Roku instead of Fox.](https://www.theverge.com/streaming/950775/netflix-was-reportedly-worried-about-antitrust-scrutiny-if-it-bought-roku-instead-of-fox)\n\n\n\n- [Fox is taking over Roku City](https://www.theverge.com/streaming/950644/fox-roku-acquisition-lachlan-murdoch-fox-news-consolidation)\n\n\n\n- [How Stephen Colbert’s Replacement Is Helping Tank the Rest of CBS](https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/how-stephen-colberts-replacement-is-helping-tank-the-rest-of-cbs/)\n\n\n\n- [Will Matter finally be able to do what it should have always done? | The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950679/matter-1-6-spec-smart-home-joint-fabric-apple-amazon-google)\n\n\n\n- [Thread Direct looks to solve Matter’s biggest setup headache | The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950732/thread-direct-thread-2-0-smart-home-apple-google)\n\n\n\n- [Half a billion people are using Threads every month](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950480/meta-threads-500-million-monthly-active-users-communities-your-algo)\n\n\n\n- [Facebook’s new AI Mode search gets its info from public posts](https://www.theverge.com/tech/950264/meta-ai-mode-search-facebook)\n\n[Subscribe to The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/subscribe) for unlimited access to [theverge.com](http://theverge.com/), subscriber-exclusive newsletters, and our [ad-free podcast feed](https://www.theverge.com/bulletin/795051/verge-podcast-ad-free-set-up-how-to).\n\nWe love hearing from you! Email your questions and thoughts to [vergecast@theverge.com](mailto:vergecast@theverge.com) or call us at 866-VERGE11.\n\n(Timestamps are approximate.)\n\n00:01:00 Intro\n\n00:02:00 Snap Specs revealed\n\n00:06:00 Snap software advantage\n\n00:08:00 Price comfort reality check\n\n00:10:00 True AR breakthrough\n\n00:15:00 Demos vs daily life\n\n00:21:00 Privacy and moderation risks\n\n00:27:00 Fox buys Roku why\n\n00:29:00 Distribution is power\n\n00:33:00 Roku neutrality ends\n\n00:37:00 Roku Lock-In Debate\n\n00:41:00 Piracy Exit Ramp\n\n00:42:00 Tubi Meets Roku Channel\n\n00:46:00 Go90 Scale Rankings\n\n00:52:00 Distribution Matters CBS\n\n00:57:00 Hype Desk Movies\n\n01:03:00 Knicks Laptop Festival\n\n01:06:00 Brendan Carr Is A Dummy\n\n01:10:00 Radio Ownership Waivers\n\n01:12:00 Threads User Numbers\n\n01:16:00 Meta AI Mode Risks\n\n01:19:00 Matter Joint Fabric\n\n01:28:00 Wrap Up and Plugs\n\nLearn more about your ad choices. 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