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S37 E2: Don’s Copy | The Expert Witness

5/18/202632 min

In the ‘parallel universe’ of Boulder Colorado, defense attorney Eric Zale is working on a very similar case. A report claims to link a suspect to incriminating online activity, but offers no clear explanation of how it works or how its conclusions were reached. Unaware of Zale or any other Cybercheck cases outside of Akron, Don Malarcik continues to dig deeper. Don hires experts and investigators, but no one can verify Cyber Check’s methods or it’s creator Adam Mosher’s credentials. Meanwhile, prosecutors continue relying on the technology, presenting it as powerful, cutting-edge evidence. As Don prepares to challenge Mosher in court, he realizes he’s not just defending one client—he’s confronting a black-box system that could quietly reshape how guilt is determined, without transparency or accountability.

Clips

AI Behind A Wave Of Arrests
Only Evidence: A PDF
Promises, No Proof
Show Us The Code
The Accusation’s Fallout
Judge Orders Source Code
Mosher Can’t Say Yes/No
Don’s Copy Margins Burn

Transcript preview

First 90 seconds

  1. Annie Bender0:00

    Does it feel like the busyness of life makes it impossible to find any time for yourself? I'm Annie Bender, a producer at Ideas, a podcast where we explore all kinds of ideas that shape our world. We're not a self-help podcast, but we do believe in slowing down so you can reclaim your time to enjoy award-winning storytelling. Think of Ideas as self-care for the curious mind. Find and follow us wherever you get your podcasts.

  2. Sam Mullins· Host0:32

    This is a CBC podcast. We begin somewhere completely different, with a different guy who lives in the mountains in a parallel universe called Colorado.

  3. Eric Zale· Guest0:50

    My name is Eric Zale. I am an attorney in a small two-person law firm in Boulder, Colorado.

  4. Sam Mullins· Host0:55

    Boulder is over 1,000 miles away from Akron, and is an even further distance culturally from Summit County's stack of unsolved murders.

  5. Eric Zale· Guest1:05

    There isn't a ton of violent crime. There's not a lot of, like, homicides and home invasions and robberies and sexual assaults and stuff. It's kind of why I'm here. Just trying to raise a family and, you know, not work too hard.

  6. Sam Mullins· Host1:18

    So this is Eric Zale. Small firm, doing important work, lots of mountain biking. All right. His entry into our story begins in 2021, when someone

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