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Rachel Zoffness (on pain)

4/15/20262 hr 4 min

Rachel Zoffness (Tell Me Where It Hurts: The New Science of Pain and How to Heal) is a psychologist, pain scientist, and author. Rachel joins the Armchair Expert to discuss why she was drawn to pain in her early neuroscience studies, the most pressing question regarding pain being made in the brain, and how a pain psychologist is like a used car salesman. Rachel and Dax talk about the biopsychosocial factors that contribute to pain, definitive psychological origins of phantom limb syndrome, and the sensory map on our brain called the cortical homunculus. Rachel explains the tale of two nails, compelling evidence that pain and physical damage are not the same, and why data we give the brain that amplifies danger will also amplify pain.

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Clips

Showing 10 of 11
Medicine’s Pain Education Failure
Phantom Limbs, Real Pain
A Tale Of Two Nails
Back Scans Lie To Us
Four Years In Bed: Sam
From Porch Sunlight To Prom
Why Opioids Feel So Good
You Control More Than You Think
Bias, Belief, And Pain
“My Patients Get Better”

Transcript preview

First 90 seconds

  1. Dax Shepard· Host0:00

    Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepherd. I'm joined by Lily Padman.

  2. Lily Padman· Host0:05

    Hi.

  3. Dax Shepard· Host0:05

    Um, we have a, a guest today with the cutest last name perhaps we've ever had, Rachel Zoffness.

  4. Lily Padman· Host0:12

    Yeah.

  5. Dax Shepard· Host0:12

    Oh.

  6. Lily Padman· Host0:12

    This was a great episode.

  7. Dax Shepard· Host0:14

    I mean, I just love that last name.

  8. Lily Padman· Host0:15

    It's a good last name.

  9. Dax Shepard· Host0:16

    Zoffness.

  10. Lily Padman· Host0:16

    It's a little misleading, because this isn't a Zoff episode.

  11. Dax Shepard· Host0:21

    Although it's, it is in also another way.

  12. Lily Padman· Host0:24

    I guess.

  13. Dax Shepard· Host0:24

    She is a leading pain psychologist and neuroscientist. You guys, this, this episode is so incredible.

  14. Lily Padman· Host0:30

    Yeah.

  15. Dax Shepard· Host0:30

    Uh, I, I think it's one of the best of the year. Uh, it's, and so many of us know, as you'll learn in here, there's 1.8 billion people in the world suffering from chronic pain.

  16. Lily Padman· Host0:39

    Ugh.

  17. Dax Shepard· Host0:39

    And there's 100 million Americans, and we don't understand how we experience pain truly.

  18. Lily Padman· Host0:45

    Yeah.

  19. Dax Shepard· Host0:45

    And, um, this is an incredible explanation of how it actually works, and it's quite an empowering take on it.

  20. Lily Padman· Host0:52

    It is.

  21. Dax Shepard· Host0:52

    Yeah, so her book is called Tell Me Where It Hurts: The New Science of Pain and How to Heal. I have already sent it to two people who I know who suffer from chronic pain. Um, this is a great one. Please forward it to anyone in your life who's, uh, experiencing chronic pain. Uh, please enjoy Rachel Zoffness.

  22. Speaker 2· Soundbite1:11

    He's an armchair expert. He's an armchair expert. He's an armchair expert. He's an armchair expert.

  23. Rachel Zoffness· Guest1:26

    Hi.

  24. Lily Padman· Host1:29

    It's

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