Part Two: The Fake Bomb Detector Grift That Killed Hundreds

Speaker 10:00

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Robert Evans· Host0:02

Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the very worst people in all of history. And this week we are telling the story of a fake bomb detector, uh, that wound up getting a shitload of people killed thanks to the ideomotor effect, and how that's weirdly relevant to our current moment in American culture, AI, all this good stuff. To talk with me about that, Ed Zitron. Ed, welcome back to the show.

Ed Zitron· Guest0:31

Thanks for having me.

Robert Evans· Host0:33

Now, Ed, you're the host of the Better Offline podcast, and how are you feeling about the ideomotor effect and people- I'm f- ... being able to know what's real?

Ed Zitron· Guest0:41

[laughs] I'm amazed by Clever Hans. I think Clever Hans is a hero who was unfairly eaten.

Robert Evans· Host0:48

[laughs] By German soldiers after he was murdered in World War I.

Ed Zitron· Guest0:52

Very un- they were very unfair to Clever Hans.

Robert Evans· Host0:53

I do, I do- He was just a, just a horse. It was just desperation and not a punishment, but it does in the articles- [laughs] ... read a little bit like because they found out he wasn't really smart, they sent him off to die.

Ed Zitron· Guest1:04

[laughs] You're a fraud, Hans.

Robert Evans· Host1:07

[laughs] Oh, man.

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