Part Two: Ian Smith: The Prime Minister of Rhodesia

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Robert Evans· Host0:02

[upbeat music] Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that this is the part two of our series on Ian Smith, the prime minister of Rhodesia, a country made by racists, for racists, and of racists. Here to talk to me about racists, [laughs] Becca Ramos. How are you doing, Becca?

Becca Ramos· Guest0:26

Love it. I do feel like it is an area of expertise I have as a woman of color in America.

Robert Evans· Host0:31

Mm-hmm.

Becca Ramos· Guest0:31

But you know.

Robert Evans· Host0:32

[laughs] Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Becca Ramos· Guest0:33

What can you do?

Robert Evans· Host0:34

What can you do? I mean, these are, these are like, uh, these are the racists who, like, trained a lot of the racists who came after. Although they're still standing on the shoulders of great racists, like Cecil Rhodes- Of course ... and the Confederacy. But you know- Fuck Cecil Rhodes ... if they could be more racist, it's only because they stood on the shoulders of racist giants.

Becca Ramos· Guest0:53

[laughs] They learned from the racists before them.

Robert Evans· Host0:55

[laughs] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I don't know, I don't know how [laughs] how else to talk about Rhodesia.

Becca Ramos· Guest1:00

[laughs] Loving them. Loving their brand of racism. It actually does remind me of Puerto Rico a little bit.

Robert Evans· Host1:06

Yeah.

Becca Ramos· Guest1:06

Um, just in the way that they... Ugh, I'm like, how do I put this? The, the colonial status of Rhodesia- Mm-hmm ... is kinda similar to, I feel like, the way the United States utilized Puerto Rico, where they- Yeah ... colonized Puerto Rico, and then they called it an unincorporated territory.

Robert Evans· Host1:24

Mm-hmm.

Becca Ramos· Guest1:25

And then they're like, "No, no, no, but it's not a colony though. And like if you work really hard