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One Town's Blueprint for Resegregating America

6/5/202635 min

A real estate investor’s pursuit of cheap land has prompted a lawsuit against a compound in Arkansas that will test whether civil rights laws can stop a whites-only town from existing in America.

Today, Debra Kamin, a New York Times investigative reporter, discusses the community and why its members are convinced that in this political climate, no one is going to stop them.

Guest: Debra Kamin, an investigative reporter focusing on wealth, power and corruption for The The New York Times.

Background reading: A whites-only community in Arkansas has been sued for discrimination.

Photo: Whitten Sabbatini for The New York Times

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First 90 seconds
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  7. Debra Kamin· Guest0:30

    Did you understand who these people were and what they believed in?

  8. Michelle Walker· Soundbite0:34

    Not as well as I thought I did.

  9. Debra Kamin· Guest0:38

    Who did you think they were?

  10. Michelle Walker· Soundbite0:42

    They call it Return to the Land. So I thought they were, you know, a community of people wanting to return to the land, you know, uh, gardening and communal type of living and things like that. And if you would become a member of their club, you were able to purchase land for $1,000 an acre, which as a real estate investor is extraordinarily appealing because that's way under market.

  11. Debra Kamin· Guest1:07

    And your husband's Black, correct?

  12. Michelle Walker· Soundbite1:10

    Yes. They wanted to have a whites-only community, so initially I wasn't really thinking about applying. But then as, as time went on, the appeal of the investment opportunity, I, I just couldn't shake it.

  13. Debra Kamin· Guest1:26

    Okay, so I'm gonna level with you.

  14. Michelle Walker· Soundbite1:28

    Yeah.

  15. Debra Kamin· Guest1:28

    I mean, you're clearly a very

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