Olivia Rodrigo Tried Writing Love Songs. Then Life Got Messy.
5/31/20261 hr 30 min
Olivia Rodrigo sat down with Joe and Jon for her first in-depth conversation about her new album, “you seem pretty sad for a girl so in love,” out June 12. She discussed the many ways her creative process intersects with the extracurricular noise of pop superstardom, whether its managing relationship drama; being targeted for the way she dresses, accusations of pilfering songwriting gestures from Taylor Swift, her onetime idol, or her willingness to speak up about political and social causes in a way many of her peers won’t.
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Michael Barbaro· Host0:34
Hey, it's Michael. Today, we're gonna do something a little bit different. We're gonna hand our show over to our colleagues at Popcast, The Times' pop culture show. It's hosted by music critic Jon Caramanica and culture reporter Joe Coscarelli. You've heard both of them on The Daily before talking about Bad Bunny's Super Bowl performance, not to mention Joe's interview with Taylor Swift, which was featured in our episode a few weeks ago about the 30 greatest living American songwriters, except, of course, for Billy Joel, who got snubbed. The big news is that Popcast will now be coming out every week as both an audio and video show, featuring some of the biggest names in music and culture, like A$AP Rocky, Anne Hathaway, Rosalía, and many more. We love what Popcast is doing, and we wanna share it with