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Naomi Brockwell Exposes The Government's Horrifying Civilian Tracker | DSH #2060

7/11/202631 min

| DSH #2060 Your phone is not just a device. It may be the most powerful tracking tool you own. In this Digital Social Hour episode, Sean Kelly sits down with privacy expert Naomi Brockwell at the Bitcoin Conference to discuss government surveillance, data brokers, app tracking, encrypted messaging, AI privacy, VPNs, smartphones, and how much personal information people give away without realizing it. Naomi explains how third-party trackers can collect location data, contacts, browsing activity, app usage, and behavioral patterns. She also breaks down how governments can purchase or request that information without using the traditional warrant process. The conversation covers Pegasus spyware, Signal versus WhatsApp, GrapheneOS, private browsers, encrypted email, Google tracking, AI chat history, targeted advertising, and practical steps people can take to protect themselves online. Naomi also discusses the Surveillance Accountability Act and why privacy is not only about hiding information. It is about preserving free thought, independence, and the right to speak without constantly feeling watched. CHAPTERS 0:00 Hidden Trackers and Government Surveillance 0:28 Naomi Brockwell at the Bitcoin Conference 1:03 How Apps Collect and Sell Your Data 1:53 Living Without a SIM Card 3:06 Bitcoin, Privacy, and Authoritarian Governments 5:28 Corporate Spying and Self-Censorship 7:43 Signal, iMessage, Siri, and Spyware 10:24 VPNs, IP Addresses, and Privacy Risks 11:20 The Fourth Amendment and Surveillance Loopholes 13:48 AI Surveillance, Data Brokers, Private Apps, and Final Advice WHAT YOU’LL LEARN 📱 Why Naomi describes smartphones as digital ankle monitors 🔍 How apps can contain dozens of hidden trackers 🏛️ How governments access personal data without traditional warrants 🔐 Why Signal offers stronger privacy than many messaging apps 🧠 How surveillance can cause people to self-censor 🕵️ Why ordinary people can become spyware targets 🌐 What to look for before choosing a VPN 📧 How encrypted email can reduce data exposure 🤖 Why private AI tools may be safer for sensitive questions 🛡️ Which simple changes can improve your digital privacy 🎙️ APPLY OR CONNECT 👉 Interested in being a guest? Apply here: https://www.digitalsocialhour.com/apply 📩 Business Inquiries & Sponsorships sean@digitalsocialhour.com 👤 GUEST Naomi Brockwell: https://www.instagram.com/skycorridors/ https://www.instagram.com/nbtv.media/ https://www.ludlowinstitute.org/ 🎧 LISTEN TO THE PODCAST 🍏 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/digital-social-hour/id1676846015 🎵 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5Jn7LXarRlI8Hc0GtTn759 📸 Follow the Host Sean Kelly on Instagram: @seanmikekelly ⚠️ DISCLAIMER The views and opinions expressed by guests on Digital Social Hour are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of the host, Sean Kelly, or the Digital Social Hour team. The host and producers are not responsible for statements, claims, or opinions shared by guests during the show. This content is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, financial, or professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to do their own research and consult qualified professionals when appropriate. While we aim to share accurate and reliable information, no guarantees are made regarding completeness or accuracy. 🔥 Stay tuned for more conversations with creators, founders, and innovators shaping the digital world. KEYWORDS Naomi Brockwell, Digital Social Hour, Sean Kelly, online privacy, government surveillance, data brokers, Signal, VPN, GrapheneOS, AI privacy, smartphone tracking, Fourth Amendment Visit Our Website at https://digital-social-hour.simplecast.com/   Presented by https://podgo.io/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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  1. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:00

    There are, there's like SDKs in your apps that are from third parties. You could have like 77 trackers in there that you have no idea about. Like, there was a famous app, it was actually targeting, like, the Muslim population. It was one of the most, like, popular apps in phones, and it turns out that it was, like, harvesting contact lists and location data and all this stuff.

  2. Sean Kelly· Host0:18

    Geez.

  3. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:18

    I mean, governments don't want you to know what kind of surveillance power they have.

  4. Sean Kelly· Host0:22

    Okay, guys, here at Bitcoin Conference with Naomi, doing big things in the privacy space. Thank you for coming on.

  5. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:33

    Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here.

  6. Sean Kelly· Host0:35

    Yeah. These things are pretty much ankle monitors, right?

  7. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:37

    They sure are. I see you've got your ankle monitor. I've got mine in my bag.

  8. Sean Kelly· Host0:40

    Yeah. I don't know where I'd be without it. It's my whole life at this point.

  9. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:43

    I love my ankle monitor. Well, here's the thing. We can make our ankle monitors less invasive in our lives.

  10. Sean Kelly· Host0:48

    Yeah.

  11. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:48

    Uh, we can actually do things to stop the egregious data collection that is currently going on. A lot of us just take the default, and we're just like, "Well, it's an ankle monitor, I guess I'm wearing this now."

  12. Sean Kelly· Host0:58

    [laughs] Right.

  13. Naomi Brockwell· Guest0:59

    Um, and we don't realize we're more empowered than, uh, than we actually are, so.

  14. Sean Kelly· Host1:03

    Yeah, yeah, we'll dive into that. So but basically when you download an app, your data's being sold, right, for pretty cheap to- Absolutely ... other companies Everything.

  15. Naomi Brockwell· Guest1:09

    There, there's like SDKs in, in your apps that are from third parties, where they, uh, you, they, they... You could have like 77 trackers in there- Wow ... um, that you have no idea about. And, uh, and it's just, uh, it's the same with everything in our lives right now. Tech is... There's this asymmetry of information. We have tech integrated in everything we do, and most of us

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