Minneapolis Feels ‘Like Being in a Civil War’

Can cellphone cameras and whistles impede President Trump’s immigration policy? On this week’s episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross speaks with Francisco Segovia, the executive director of a Minneapolis-based nonprofit on the front lines of anti-ICE activism, about how his organization is training citizens to become constitutional observers. “It’s your right to video record what your government is doing,” he says. Ross asks if there’s any enforcement he’d accept. 

• 2:56 Current dynamics on the ground in Minneapolis
• 5:03 Communities Organizing Power and Action for Latinos (COPAL)
• 6:53 Francisco Segovia's story
• 14:26 What is a constitutional observer?
• 22:27 Reflections on Renee Good
• 28:59 Training efforts to try and keep protesters safe
• 34:42 What kind of immigration enforcement is legitimate?

Hey, Los Angeles! Come see Ross in conversation with the columnist Jamelle Bouie and the editor of New York Times Opinion, Katie Kingsbury, on Tuesday, Jan. 20. They’ll take stock of the first year of Trump’s second term and debate the administration’s biggest actions so far and what it all means for our country. Get tickets here while they’re still available.

Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.