Michael Ovitz: The Business of Relationships
2/3/20261 hr 36 min
Michael Ovitz co-founded CAA and helped reshape Hollywood, then took the same playbook into tech investing and advising founders. In this conversation, he breaks down the operating rules that kept CAA from losing clients, and the personal disciplines that kept him grounded when the stakes got massive. You’ll learn how to build momentum, tell the truth without hesitation, read for context instead of noise, hire people who raise the standard, and package ideas into outcomes.
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Approximate Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:58) Appetite For Learning (03:41) Always Tell The Truth (05:50) The Loneliest Professions (08:17) Where Does Hollywood Go Wrong? (10:16) Importance of Being Well Read (16:42) Don’t Fight Your Job (18:28) Managing Relationships (19:15) Ad Break (20:46) Hiring Top Performers (22:35) Creating Depth in Knowledge (26:47) Staying Grounded (30:27) What Do You Look For in People? (33:28) A Meeting with Marc Andreessen (36:44) Being Fearless (42:12) Allow People to Keep Their Dignity (43:42) You Fail, So What? (47:48) Advice From Michael Crichton (49:46) What Drives You Today? (52:49) What This Generation Really Wants to Learn (57:51) The Woke Culture Influence (01:01:30) How Do You Keep Up With the Flow of Information? (01:11:30) What Makes A Good Leader? (01:14:13) Business Education Curriculum (01:16:28) How Do You Gain Momentum? (01:18:16) How Important is Packaging? (01:24:43) What Would You Tell Your Younger Self? (01:26:30) How Important is Trust? (01:29:15) What is Success For You?
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First 90 secondsMichael Ovitz· Guest0:00
I didn't go into business to win a popularity contest. I went into business to win. You know, when Michael Crichton gave me the book of Jurassic Park, I put the right director with it, Steven Spielberg. There was no second choice.
Shane Parrish· Host0:15
You've had a front row seat to Hollywood for a long time. Where did people go wrong?
Michael Ovitz· Guest0:21
I thought these power lists that they developed in the entertainment business were just sheer nonsense. It's an ephemeral thing, power, and it's fleeting, and it doesn't last. And if you don't believe that, take a look at anyone that's had it. It's like a lease. It has a closed end, and never a good one. I have been viewed by a lot of my friends as the world's best friend and the world's worst enemy. Success, to me, is- I think that's the most beautiful answer I've heard in two hundred and some episodes.
Shane Parrish· Host0:56
[gentle music] One of the things that I admire about you is your voracious appetite for learning, and you started in the William Morris file room, and you had access to all these... But it was like you, David Geffen, Barry Diller, all the same sort of path in the file room, reading the history. What's the modern equivalent of that, do you think, for people out there wanting to get ahead at work?
Michael Ovitz· Guest1:19
Well, I don't- I... You know, it's a really great question. I'm not sure, frankly, because one of my... I, I love the internet, and I love being on my computer