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Jack Rhysider· Host0:00

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I'm squealing over here. After years and years of trying to get today's guest on the show, he finally said yes. I'm so excited for this one. I've been sliding into his DMs for years, "Hey, can I interview you?" And I swear, he always has the same answer every time. He's like, "Who are you?" And I say something like, "Oh, I'm a podcaster and I - I really want to hear your story," and he's like, "No, thank you." And fair answer. I wouldn't want to talk to me either if I was in his position. And then I saw him at a party at Defcon, and when I - when I first approached him in person, he was hiding behind a sign, trying not to be seen.

Marcus Hutchins· Guest0:41

So, I - I stand out in a crowd, so I've learned that, like, signs are my best friend. We can hide behind a lamppost, we can hide behind a tree, we can hide behind a sign. But if I stand in the middle of the room, uh, like, it's gonna draw a lot more attention than, um, than I necessarily maybe want. Although I've got to the point now where I - I think I can just handle it. But I - I do remember our first interactions. I think part of the awkwardness was I'm very bad at recognizing faces and you were wearing a mask the first time you saw me.

Jack Rhysider· Host1:11

It's true. I had a disguise on and, yeah, I asked to interview him and he had no idea who I was. He's just like, "Who are you?"

Marcus Hutchins· Guest1:19

In my defense, there is no photos of you online and I have checked.

Jack Rhysider· Host1:23

It's true.

Marcus Hutchins· Guest1:24

So, like, there is - there is no way I could have known.

Jack Rhysider· Host1:27

It's true. I try real hard not to have any photos of