Maggie Haberman: A Gross and Messy White House
7/1/20261 hr 7 min
Trump leaves ice cream cartons, potato chip bags, and candy wrappers all over his personal space at the White House. His diet aside, his aides are working overtime to keep the state of his health a secret. And it turns out that his loss in 2020 made him more powerful: He didn't have to deal with post-Covid inflation and the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump also wouldn't have been prosecuted, which ultimately led to him getting his get-out-jail free card to break all the laws, courtesy of the Supreme Court. Maggie joins Tim to discuss some of the revelations in her new book, including the pardons Trump is promising and the relationship between POTUS and a young aide who writes him "raw" and "emotional" love notes. Oh, and Marco—who's having the time of his life—was the guy who set up the deal to send people to the gulag at CECOT. Plus: Cam Kasky on why DSA candidates are resonating with voters and how things feel on the ground around Platner in Maine and Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan.
Cameron Kasky and Maggie Haberman join Tim Miller.
Show notes:
- Maggie's and Jonathan Swan's book, "Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump"
- This week only, a full Bulwark membership for everything we offer on our website is $86 a year. That's 14 percent off at http://thebulwark.com/july4
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First 90 secondsTim Miller· Host0:00
[upbeat music] Hello, and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We got a double header for you today. In segment two, it's the podcast favorite, Gen Z bisexual quasi-communist. Uh, we're assessing what's been happening with the DSA in the primaries. That's my man Cameron Caskey, of course. But first, she's a New York Times White House correspondent, author of Confidence Man, and co-author with Jonathan Swan of the new book, Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump. It's, of course, Maggie Haberman. What's up, girl?
Maggie Haberman· Guest0:39
Uh, how are you? Thanks for having me.
Tim Miller· Host0:41
I'm doing great. It's been a minute.
Maggie Haberman· Guest0:43
It's.
Tim Miller· Host0:43
[laughs] And it seems it's like you guys have sold so many of these books. Can I just say... I'm just gonna say it. Uh, y- this is-- we have this relationship. I can just be blunt. I don't get it. I, I mean- Oh, okay. [laughs] People, people wanna relive the first year of the Donald Trump presidency in written form, in long form? I mean, I understand wanting to watch Yellowstone reruns, you know, or the World Cup, but it's, it's your magic.
Maggie Haberman· Guest1:06
I appreciate your talk-- uh, having me on to talk about a book that you, uh, say you don't understand why people wanna read, but I am grateful that a lot of people do.
Tim Miller· Host1:14
I mean, I'm ready. I underst- after reading it, I understand it.
Maggie Haberman· Guest1:16
I- okay.
Tim Miller· Host1:16
I get that.
Maggie Haberman· Guest1:16
I appreciate that. [laughs] There's a- So you got some magic, I guess ... there are very, there are very long queues at, at libraries, uh, which is great. In all seriousness, there's a very long Audible queue.
Tim Miller· Host1:25
That's wild.
Maggie Haberman· Guest1:26
I don't think it's about reliving it, Tim, honestly, 'cause, uh,