Lawfare Daily: Taking Stock of the Ukraine-Russia Talks
7/14/202654 min
Lawfare Contributing Editor Mykhailo Soldatenko sits down with Eric Ciaramella, Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Samuel Charap, Senior Political Scientist at the RAND Corporation, to take stock of the U.S.-led negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. They discuss the improvements in Ukraine's position, the structure of negotiations, territorial questions, and security commitments to Ukraine.
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Samuel Charap· Guest0:30
[upbeat music] We could debate where, where the fault lies for this, but I don't think there is really a credible alternative that Putin's looking at for even to explore a process that could be there to explore what a credible alternative to continued fighting might look like.
Mykhailo Soldatenko· Host0:50
It's Lawfare Podcast. My name is Mykhailo Soldatenko, Lawfare contributing editor, and I'm joined today by Eric Charemala, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the contributing editor at Lawfare, and Samuel Charap, distinguished chair in Russia and Eurasia policy and senior political scientist at Rand Corporation.
Eric Ciaramella· Guest1:12
The sense I got is that they've moved away from some of these stranger kind of hybrid proposals on the Donbas, and the territorial issue is just sort of frozen for the time being while, you know, Ukraine is fighting for more of an advantage strategically.