Jack Antonoff

Zane Lowe· Host0:00

This is the best Bleachers album you've made, in my opinion I think so too, but it's nice to hear, um- Yeah ...

Jack Antonoff· Guest0:04

y- you live with it alone, man. It's weird.

Zane Lowe· Host0:06

Yeah.

Jack Antonoff· Guest0:06

People have this idea, um, this goes for Bleachers, my production work, every- everyone, pe- people just have these wild ideas of how it's done. They think there's these, like, people listening. It's like, it's so fucking small, it's crazy.

Zane Lowe· Host0:18

Mm.

Jack Antonoff· Guest0:19

And by design.

Zane Lowe· Host0:19

Mm.

Jack Antonoff· Guest0:20

You know, the second you open it up, um, I, I always see making records like you're like, you're like, l- you're like making something, like, like a house of cards, and you, like, see it, but, like, you know the world wouldn't see it yet. And, like, you're so excited, but, like, it's not done, and letting anyone else see it, like, even just, it would just, like, destroy it for you. No one... It's weird. So it, it... I'm, I'm stuttering around this, but it's a very emotional phase I'm in- Yeah ... sharing it, 'cause it's, like, bizarre. Well, we have a cultural dissonance of, uh, it's a huge part of this album, of the everyone-ness of everything.

Zane Lowe· Host0:54

Yeah.

Jack Antonoff· Guest0:54

So no artist... You know, when I was 13 first, you know, feeling misunderstood and, and finding music and f- f- finding that as a way to communicate, there was no part of me that wanted to reach everyone. There was no part of me that wanted to be adored by everyone.

Zane Lowe· Host1:07

You were actually the opposite. You and your friends were doing 250 gigs a year- It- ... to avoid people.

Jack Antonoff· Guest1:12

[laughs] It always starts as the opposite.

Zane Lowe· Host1:14

Yeah.

Jack Antonoff· Guest1:14

[laughs] It starts from a weird chip on your shoulder.

Zane Lowe· Host1:16

Yeah, yeah.

Jack Antonoff· Guest1:17

It starts from feeling misunderstood.

Zane Lowe· Host1:18

The fuck you juice. It's super important.

Jack Antonoff· Guest1:19

Yeah, super important. So to have... It, it's a moment. There's a lot of things going on in the world, which I touch on in the album, but even in the music community, it's like we're about to break through this wall. We