Is Trump still running scared of the Epstein files?
5/20/202651 min
You might not know the name Thomas Massie. But you will know what he did. The Kentucky Republican congressman was one crucial part of the campaign that forced Trump to release the Epstein files last November. Last night, he lost his chance to fight his seat again - against a challenger endorsed by Trump. Is Trump still worrying about Epstein? Or does he just hate dissent? And why did he take Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth out of an actual war with Iran to make him campaign in Kentucky? This does not feel normal.
Later, is democracy being killed by the rich? Lewis speaks to Jeffrey Winters.
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Lewis Goodall· Host0:05
Thomas Massie, who's been in Congress for 14 years.
Thomas Massie· Soundbite0:08
If the legislative branch always vote which- votes whichever way the wind is blowing, then we have mob rule.
Lewis Goodall· Host0:15
Trump basically launched a personal vendetta, branding Massie a moron, a nut job, a loser.
Emily Maitlis· Host0:23
On one level, what this shows you is that Trump still has a very firm grip on his party. But on the other hand, you are starting to see something emerge, which is no dissent, no guardrails, no voices. If you disagree with the President, you're out.
Thomas Massie· Soundbite0:39
Today is the six-month anniversary of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. We've taken out two dozen CEOs, an ambassador [crowd cheering] A prince, a prime minister [crowd cheering] a minister of culture [crowd cheering] And that was just six months. I got seven months left in Congress.
Lewis Goodall· Host1:06
[crowd cheering] That is Republican Congressman Thomas Massie, someone who has led the charge for the release and publication of the Jeffrey Epstein files. He has just lost a fight to retain his seat in Congress because he lost the support of Donald Trump.
Emily Maitlis· Host1:28
He has been