Is God More Than a Story? Jonathan Pageau with Jordan Hall on DarkHorse
4/26/20261 hr 43 min
Bret Weintein debates Jonathan Pageau with Jordan Hall on whether science or religion can save humanity from itself.
Find Jonathan Pageau at https://www.thesymbolicworld.com and on x at https://x.com/PageauJonathan
Bret thanks Redeemer Anglican Church for loaning them the space to do this podcast.
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Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Ancient Wisdom, Modern World: Bret Speaks with Jonathan Pageau https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NYz1DJ4ByM
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First 90 secondsBret Weinstein· Host0:00
Hey, folks. Welcome to the Dark Horse podcast, Inside Rail. I am sitting today with Jordan Hall and Jonathan Pageau. Jonathan Pageau is a returning guest to Dark Horse. Many of you will remember an episode in which we had a far-ranging conversation that the audience felt you and I were talking past each other, and there was further thought that Jordan might be exactly the right person to translate between us as someone who understands both our languages well. I don't think that's going to be necessary because we've been together for several days hashing out these issues. We've learned each other's language enough that I think we can have a productive conversation. For those of you who don't know, Jonathan, I think he would not necessarily cotton to the term, but I would say he is a religious scholar. Is, is that a- an acceptable term?
Jonathan Pageau· Guest0:52
It's acceptable, [chuckles] I guess.
Bret Weinstein· Host0:53
All right.
Jonathan Pageau· Guest0:53
Yeah.
Bret Weinstein· Host0:54
In my book, he's a religious scholar. He specializes in Christendom but is broadly educated.
Jonathan Pageau· Guest1:00
Mm-hmm.
Bret Weinstein· Host1:00
And Jordan is a little hard to pin down. Jordan is one of the, uh, broadest thinkers I know. He and I have been good friends. We've known each other since about 2008 or 9, and, um, he is capable of bringing clarity on a wide range of issues. So without further ado, Jordan and Jonathan, let me just say welcome to Dark Horse.
Jordan Hall· Guest1:24
Yeah, thanks for having us.
Jonathan Pageau· Guest1:25
Thank you for having us.
Bret Weinstein· Host1:26
Well, this is exciting. I will say