How Trump’s Iran War Could Break the GOP (ft. Ben Shapiro)
4/21/202653 min
Just hours before a fragile ceasefire deadline, tensions between the U.S. and Iran are escalating — and the political fallout at home is already taking shape. Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov sit down with Ben Shapiro, one of the most influential voices on the right, who has called this the “single bravest foreign policy move” of his lifetime. But as the risk of a prolonged conflict grows, so do the stakes: for American power, for President Trump, and for the future of the Republican Party. They press Shapiro on whether this risks becoming the kind of “forever war” Republicans once opposed, what a realistic definition of “winning” actually looks like, and how this moment could reshape the GOP heading into 2028. They also dive into the fractures emerging inside the conservative movement — from Tucker Carlson and the right-wing media ecosystem to the growing divide among younger Republicans. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov Follow Prof G, @profgalloway Follow Raging Moderates, @RagingModeratesPod Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RagingModerates Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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First 90 secondsJake Sullivan· Soundbite0:00
Where do the negotiations with Iran stand? What can a deal actually look like? And does diplomacy still have a chance?
Jessica Tarlov· Host0:06
I personally believe we will get an agreement. I think there's gonna be an agreement forthcoming of one kind or another. I think the world needs that. I think we desperately need to calm things down.
Jake Sullivan· Soundbite0:17
I'm Jake Sullivan.
Jon Finer· Soundbite0:18
And I'm Jon Finer, and we're the hosts of The Long Game, a weekly national security podcast. This week, former Secretary of State John Kerry joins us on the pod.
Jake Sullivan· Soundbite0:27
The episode's out now. Search for and follow The Long Game wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 30:32
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Jon Finer· Soundbite0:39
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Speaker 30:41
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Speaker 40:43
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Ben Shapiro· Guest1:04
Of course there, there was always going to be fragmentation in a second term of a presidency because whoever is the uniting figure is no longer gonna be the uniting figure three years from now. And so people inside that, that broader kinda movement start to look at, "Okay, who's the next guy? What is the next thing that's going to happen?" And in the Republican Party, where there's pretty significant debate between a wide variety of wings on a lot of these matters, that, that is breaking out into the open. I, I don't find any of that particularly