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How to Stay Calm in a Crisis and Why Detachment Is a Trainable Skill - Jamie Cochran

6/9/20261 hr 27 min

Your ego isn’t the enemy, but if you’re not actively controlling it, it is running your team, your home, and your most important relationships. Jamie Cochran, COO of Echelon Front, has spent 13 years helping leaders fix the root cause most of them never look for.

The Women’s Leadership Assembly live event runs January 5–7, 2027 in Palm Springs. A free monthly webinar series runs year-round. More details here: https://events.echelonfront.com/product/assembly-004/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=22652941380&utm_content=&utm_term=&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=22652941380&utm_content=&utm_term=&gadid=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22662710098&gclid=CjwKCAjwxITRBhBYEiwA6mZm7VZs1jY-jUq1ugoigo8XEDkYsRsSEpOs2eblax5TQOW-9LT_K-hVhBoC1RkQAvD_BwE

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Chapters

00:00 ​Intro of Show

01:33 The Spartan Warrior Selection

02:25 Why Female Leadership Is Misunderstood

06:35 Are Leadership Tools Evolving or Constant?

07:12 What Is Extreme Ownership?

11:44 Owning It All vs. Doing It All

12:34 Female Leadership: Strength vs. Confidence vs. Aggression

17:57 Imposter Syndrome: Healthy or Dangerous?

23:37 Leadership Skills: Natural or Trainable?

31:00 Detachment from Emotion: On Making Better Decisions

32:32 Healthy Competition Against Women

36:20 Jamie’s Thyroid Cancer Diagnosis and Practicing Detachment

48:12 Avoidant Leaders and Default Aggressive Bias for Action

51:96 Top 3 Mistakes Leaders Make

52:43 The Leadership Capital Framework

57:54 The PIOS Framework: Problem, Impact, Ownership, Solution

1:00:10 When to End a Professional Relationship

1:04:29 The Women’s Leadership Assembly: Origin Story

1:07:05 Impact of Social Media on the Confidence of Young Girls

1:13:35 Compounding Habits that Improve Leadership over Time

1:14:55 Discipline as a Parenting Tool

1:22:07 Recognising when your Leadership Capacity is Failing

1:24:51 Women’s Assembly in January 2027: Palm Springs

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Clips

Strength Or 'Being A Bitch'
Cancer News, Calm Response
Cooler Forgotten, Ownership Learned
Default Aggressive Leadership
Ego Audit At The Gym
Launching Women’s Assembly Epiphany

Transcript preview

First 90 seconds

  1. Gabrielle Lyon· Host0:00

    Sparta chose their warriors not based on [metal clinking] the warrior, but based on the woman behind them.

  2. Jamie Cochran· Guest0:07

    The importance of that aspect in our lives as mothers and families and as spouses standing behind our men in those scenarios, it's critical. Some of the best strength I've seen in the leaders that I've had the opportunity to work with are from the women.

  3. Gabrielle Lyon· Host0:21

    Should women in leadership or should women in life be competitive with one another?

  4. Jamie Cochran· Guest0:26

    Competition amongst women gets a really negative view, but I think that there's a difference between being competitive, which is a good thing, because if we're competing, we're making each other better for that. What I know to be true is that we don't make good decisions when we're emotional. We always have to be detached from our ego, our emotions, our own perspective, and if we can be detached in those moments, we're liable to make much better decisions.

  5. Gabrielle Lyon· Host0:50

    [suspenseful music] What about the leaders that are avoidant?

  6. Jamie Cochran· Guest0:57

    Problems don't get better with time. They don't. So avoiding things only makes things worse. That's not a good outcome, 'cause then we get to assess, was that the right call? Are we moving in the right direction? And if we're not, we have time to rewrite the ship and get us pointing in the right direction.

  7. Gabrielle Lyon· Host1:12

    What are the top three things that leaders do not do well or mistakes that you see over and over again?

  8. Jamie Cochran· Guest1:19

    And this might not be something that everyone agrees with, but...

  9. Unknown speaker1:23

    [upbeat music]

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