How the Media Still Misunderstands Trump (Tina Brown)
5/24/20261 hr 13 min
Why does Trump understand the media better than the media understands him? Are tech billionaires like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos more dangerous to journalism than Rupert Murdoch ever was? What did Tina Brown see change in Trump from the '80s to now, and when did he turn "dark"?
Alastair and Rory are joined by Tina Brown, author of the Substack 'Fresh Hell' and former editor-in-chief of Tatler, Vanity Fair, and The New Yorker, to discuss all these questions and more.
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First 90 secondsRory Stewart· Host0:00
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Tina Brown· Guest0:12
I really believe that Fox News has been the single most damaging thing that has ever happened to America.
Rory Stewart· Host0:19
We interviewed Gavin Newsom a few months ago, and he said, "Without Rupert Murdoch, there is no President Trump."
Tina Brown· Guest0:24
The incredible thing that Trump proved, and he's so good at it, he understands the media so much better than the media understands him, even now. There's no journalist really who's gonna say, "I just had a long conversation with the president, but it's all rubbish and I'm not gonna print it."
Rory Stewart· Host0:38
Because they'll know they'll never get another one.
Tina Brown· Guest0:39
They'll never get another one, and also it's like you just got a scoop.
Rory Stewart· Host0:42
Post-truth is a strategy. People like Trump deploy it. People like Putin deploy it.
Tina Brown· Guest0:47
We've really got to the point where you just think, "Well, what is really happening?" The disinformation and the confusion has become so toxic because people literally don't know what to believe anymore.
Rory Stewart· Host0:58
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