Gaining the trust of a serial killer: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt. 2

Gary Jubelin· Host0:00

[upbeat music] The public has had a long-held fascination with detectives. Detectives see a side of life the average person is never exposed to. I spent 34 years as a cop. For 25 of those years, I was catching killers. That's what I did for a living. I was a homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some of the content and language might be confronting. That's because no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. Join me now as I take you into this world. [upbeat music] How did Charles Manson convince multiple people to murder nine innocent victims? In part two of my chat with forensic psychologist Dr. Jeff Smallin, we talk about his dealings with Manson and the women devoted to him. Jeff also reveals what he's learned about the mindset of killers, the creepy mind games Ted Bundy tried to play with him, and the secret to gaining the trust of a serial killer. Have a listen. I think you're gonna find it fascinating. Jeff Smallin, welcome back for part two of I Catch Killers.

Jeff Smalldon· Guest1:20

Thank you.

Gary Jubelin· Host1:21

Um, pretty heavy stuff we're talking about, and, uh, we normally try to lighten things up a little bit, but, uh, I'm looking at, uh, some of the notes