Founding Fathers | Saints and Sinners | 4
5/28/202642 min
Was Alexander Hamilton the real architect of American capitalism — or just the most self-destructive genius in the room? What does it mean that the man who shaped the nation's finances spent his career surrounded by an economy built on enslaved labour he understood firsthand? And, if the founding fathers were so brilliant, why is America still fighting about what they actually built?
Peter and Afua peel back the marble on two of the most mythologised men in history: Hamilton, the penniless Caribbean immigrant who survived a hurricane, built the American financial machine, and then blew up his own career with a 95-page confession; and Washington, the slave-owning Virginia planter who became the face of liberty — and knew exactly when to put the power down.
0:00 Hamilton, Washington, and the show that won't let the founders off the hook
1:48 The Caribbean origins of Alexander Hamilton — and what Nevis reveals about colonial violence
5:30 How working at the epicentre of the Atlantic slave economy shaped Hamilton's political thinking
9:10 The outsider who doubled down: Hamilton's ambition, his tongue, and why people feared him
11:36 The Reynolds affair — confessing adultery to defeat a corruption charge
15:50 What Hamilton brought to the revolution that none of the others could
20:10 George Washington: the Virginia planter who had to learn how to be a gentleman
24:00 How marrying Martha Custis transformed Washington's wealth and status overnight
26:40 The land grab Britain tried to block — and why it radicalized Washington
30:30 The fragile coalition: Franklin's joke, the hanging rope, and what really held them together
35:00 Washington's genius was knowing what not to do — and when to walk away
38:40 The American dream was built on free labour — and the dishonesty that disguised it
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Peter Frankopan· Host0:37
On the Fourth of July this year, the United States is gonna be treating the Founding Fathers like they are secular saints, but the truth behind the Declaration of Independence is far more explosive.
Afua Hirsch· Host0:52
Today we meet two of the most famous men in American history. First, the ultimate outsider and most unlikely star of a Broadway musical, Alexander Hamilton, a penniless, orphaned immigrant from the Caribbean who survived a literal hurricane to build the world's most powerful financial machine.
Peter Frankopan· Host1:11
And then the man who became the face and the father of the nation, George Washington. He wasn't a philosopher, nor was he a genius writer. He was a silent, imposing unifier who knew exactly how to use his power and when to give it up.
Afua Hirsch· Host1:26
From Hamilton's self-destructive sex scandals to Washington's