Former British Intelligence Officer | Julien Fisher | Ep. 408
4/25/20262 hr 1 min
Former British intelligence officer Julian Fisher joins us to break down the real world of espionage, from MI6 tradecraft and denied-area operations to private intelligence work across Africa and conflict zones like Congo and Sierra Leone. He shares how intelligence officers build cover, recruit allies, and survive dangerous situations where a single decision can mean life or death.
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00:00 — Start
01:00 — British intelligence, MI6, and the Official Secrets Act
05:20 — Childhood in Birmingham, family tragedy, and early hardship
11:30 — The Iranian nurse who taught Julian the power of allies
15:00 — Getting into Oxford and building social capital
20:00 — Winston Churchill’s grandson and learning influence early
27:20 — City of London finance, class, and becoming a chameleon
35:30 — Leaving finance for British intelligence
38:00 — Iraq War intelligence, David Kelly, and resigning on principle
45:30 — Moving into private intelligence and corporate security
49:00 — Tim Spicer, Sandline, Sierra Leone, and private military myths
55:00 — Head of Africa: Congo, mining clients, and ground-truth intel
59:50 — AK-47 in Kinshasa: using cover to survive
01:28:45 — Somalia, a mortar attack, and surviving by minutes
01:46:15 — How Think Like a Spy turns tradecraft into leadership lessons
01:51:40 — Final thoughts, book info, and where to find Julien
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