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Fascism Expert Sounds Alarm as Trump Secretly Builds His Hiding Place While He Collapses

5/3/202646 min

Friend of the show Ruth Ben-Ghiat joins us to discuss what Trump's inevitable refusal to leave office will look like.

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  1. Speaker 00:00

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  2. Jennifer Welch· Host0:14

    [upbeat music] All right. Joining me today on iHip News is my friend and absolute expert in exactly what is happening right now. Her name is Ruth Ben-Ghiat, and she is the best-selling author of Strongmen, and she has an amazing, amazing Substack called Lucid. Ruth, welcome to iHip News. Welcome back.

  3. Ruth Ben-Ghiat· Guest0:40

    Thank you. So pleased to be here with you.

  4. Jennifer Welch· Host0:42

    You're one of our audience's favorites. I think you and I went to dinner a couple weeks ago, and I was telling you, I think there's a desire among the public right now as we see this regime attack science, attack facts, attack knowledge. There's a desire from the electorate to learn.

  5. Ruth Ben-Ghiat· Guest0:59

    Mm-hmm.

  6. Jennifer Welch· Host0:59

    And so, uh, thank you so much for making yourself available. Right now, Trump's approval rating is hitting around 32%. What happens to an autocrat when they become this unpopular, and what happens to all of those surrounding him when they are... You know, it looks like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

  7. Ruth Ben-Ghiat· Guest1:19

    Mm-hmm. [laughs] [laughs] Yeah. So you've, you've hit on... So one of the things is, um, they, they never take responsibility for their actions. And they have,

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