Encore: How I came to work with the lions who live in trees
4/21/202651 min
Alex Braczkowski is a big cat expert and for years he's been following a rare group of tree-climbing lions, including the charismatic, enigmatic, three-legged Jacob.
Alex fell in love with animals by accident, he'd just been expelled and while his parents were trying to find him a new school, they made him use his time wisely by volunteering at the Johannesburg Zoo.
From there he went to game ranger school, and onto university at a campus nestled in forests at the base of the Outeniqua Mountains, which he shared with dwarf leopards. It was at university that Alex really fell in love with big cats.
Eventually Alex became a National Geographic explorer, and for years now has been following a rare group of lions who spend almost all day up in trees, only coming down at night to hunt.
One of the lions that has a special place in Alex's heart is known as Jacob.
Jacob has already used up many of his nine lives. He has survived been poisoned, trapped, snared and gored by a buffalo, and now gets around on three legs, but is still able to climb trees.
This episode was first broadcast in 2023, the producer was Meggie Morris and Carmel Rooney was the executive producer was Carmel Rooney.
It explores animals, big cats, lions, animal behaviour, animal photography, South Africa, National Geographic, dangerous animals.
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First 90 secondsAlex Braczkowski· Guest0:00
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Sarah Kanowski· Host0:05
Alex Brazkowski spends a lot of his life around big cats, but he's only been really scared once. On that day in Uganda, Alex was tracking a pride of rare tree-climbing lions. He was in his little Suzuki Jeep without proper doors, and as night began to fall, the lions came down from their trees and became very interested in Alex. Alex is a conservation biologist and a wildlife cameraman with National Geographic. He's documented leopards in India, jaguars in the Amazon, and lions in Uganda. And one of the lions there that has a special place in his heart is known as Jacob. And if ever there was a cat who really did have nine lives, it would be Jacob, who survived being poisoned, trapped, snared and gored by a buffalo. Hi, Alex.
Alex Braczkowski· Guest1:03
Hi, Sarah. Hi.
Sarah Kanowski· Host1:04
You grew up in Africa, on the continent that's home to these amazing mammals, but where were you born?
Alex Braczkowski· Guest1:10
I, I was born in, uh, i-in a little, uh, town in, in Greece, in Athens, called Attica. Um, yeah, my parents were, uh, refugees from Poland, and they, they fled to Greece and, um, yeah, I was born, born along the small little seaside town, yeah.
Sarah Kanowski· Host1:26
Do you have any memories of Greece?
Alex Braczkowski· Guest1:28
Uh,