Deepak Chopra, Oprah, and Jeffrey Epstein
3/12/202638 min
Newly released Epstein files show thousands of messages between Jeffrey Epstein and wellness guru Deepak Chopra. What were they talking about—and why was Epstein so interested in consciousness and spirituality? Vanessa and Natalie are joined by Matthew Remski, co-host of the podcast Conspirituality, to unpack Chopra’s rise, the business of wellness, and why the world’s richest men keep turning to spiritual gurus.
You can also check out Matthew’s other podcast, Antifascist Dad Podcast, and his forthcoming book of the same name.
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First 90 secondsNatalie Robehmed· Host0:00
[bomb exploding] What they did to your family, you're lucky to make it out alive.
Speaker 20:05
Streaming on Peacock. These men are going to come after me. Taking them out is my only chance.
Natalie Robehmed· Host0:10
Put a bullet in her head.
Speaker 20:12
[gunshot] From the co-creator of Ozark. Looks like a family was running drugs.
Deepak Chopra· Soundbite0:17
Execution-style killing. It's rare for the keys. Any leads on who they might've been running for?
Speaker 20:21
The cartel killed my family. I'm gonna kill them, all of them. M.I.A., streaming now only on Peacock.
Natalie Robehmed· Host0:29
[crickets chirping] Campsite Media.
Vanessa Grigoriadis· Host0:33
Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Infamous. Thank you so much for listening to our show. So there's been so much in the news recently about Jeffrey Epstein and his connection to a coterie of rich and powerful men, the former president of Harvard, Larry Summers; Jes Staley, the CEO of Barclays; medical influencer guy Peter Attia. Now, Epstein was a sexual abuser. He was the kind of person who should be shunned by the 1%, but it just doesn't seem like these guys may have cared too much about that, and certainly not enough to cut ties with him. And they may or may not have agreed with a lot of Epstein's ideas, too. So this week, we're gonna be talking about some of those ideas. Now, Epstein was obviously somewhat illiterate. If you look at his emails, they're just filled with typos,