Clerical Collar

Zach Wilson· Guest0:01

I have been a Presbyterian minister for 25 years.

Avery Trufelman· Host0:04

As a Presbyterian pastor, Zach Wilson doesn't have to wear all that priest stuff.

Zach Wilson· Guest0:09

Protestant churches are much less uniform, obviously, than Roman Catholic churches.

Avery Trufelman· Host0:15

Doesn't have to wear the cassock, or the chasuble, or the stole. Nothing's required.

Zach Wilson· Guest0:19

I would wear a collared shirt with a tie most of the time. Not always a tie, but for the most part, 'cause I like ties.

Avery Trufelman· Host0:27

And then how often would you wear the collar?

Zach Wilson· Guest0:29

Never.

Avery Trufelman· Host0:30

Really?

Zach Wilson· Guest0:31

No. I hate to say this, but, like, I didn't wanna be seen as that, because people have their feelings about what religion is, and people project things on you. [chuckles] I never wore- uh, no, I never wore a collar till this.

Avery Trufelman· Host0:43

And by this, Pastor Zach means when Immigration and Customs Enforcement took over his city.

Zach Wilson· Guest0:50

[music] I'm the co-executive presbyter of the Presbytery of the Twin Cities area here in Minnesota. So, you know, we had one church who had a Sudanese refugee family, and their 22-year-old son was abducted and spirited off to Texas within hours, and he was legal. The Presbytery kicked in 10 grand, and we were able to get him back, right?

Avery Trufelman· Host1:13

Amazing.

Zach Wilson· Guest1:14

But most people cannot marshal those sorts of resources, and there's a lot of making sure people have money to do deliveries to people's homes, 'cause people are kind of shut in. Well- Why can't people leave their homes? Because Brown people are just being picked up,