Chiles v. Salazar
4/14/202652 min
It’s your therapist’s sacred First Amendment right to give you medically discredited advice.
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First 90 secondsMichael Liroff· Host0:00
We will hear argument first this morning in Case 24539, Chiles v. Salazar.
Leon Neyfakh0:05
[upbeat music] Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this week's episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael are talking about Chiles v. Salazar, a case that was decided just a few weeks ago in a ruling that challenges Colorado's 2019 law banning therapists from trying to talk gay, trans, and queer minors into becoming straight. As you'll hear, the case was brought by a therapist who had teamed up with a right-wing nonprofit to argue that the Colorado ban on conversion therapy infringed on her First Amendment rights. The central question in the case was whether or not a state can regulate the speech of a talk therapist, and in an eight-one decision, the court ruled that the issue required so-called strict scrutiny, which means the case now goes back down to the lower court for an intensive review that presumes the law in question is unconstitutional and will likely lead to it being struck down. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks.
Peter Shamshiri· Host1:03
Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have sent our civil rights to the far side of the moon, like the Artemis spacecraft. I'm Peter. I'm here with Rhiannon.
Rhiannon Hamam· Host1:18
Hey, everybody.
Peter Shamshiri· Host1:20
And Michael.
Michael Liroff· Host1:20
Hi. I love space shit. I do. I, I eat that up. I think it's so cool.
Peter Shamshiri· Host1:25
It's cool, and I guess it's the Artemis II, if you're a stickler.
Michael Liroff· Host1:28
Yes, the Artemis II.
Peter Shamshiri· Host1:29
Um,