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Can we have new pipelines and curb climate change, too?

5/28/202654 min

For the past decade, Canadians have been split 50/50 on new pipelines — that's changed. Two recent opinion polls found roughly three quarters of eligible voters in Canada want at least one new pipeline built to export more fossil fuels. Yet, 70 per cent of people consider climate change a serious threat. IDEAS producer Tom Howell explores the incompatibilities and future scenarios. *This episode originally aired on Oct. 7, 2025.

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Clips

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No Logic Behind Pipelines

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First 90 seconds

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  2. Speaker 20:28

    [upbeat jingle] This is a CBC podcast.

  3. Zipporah Berman· Guest0:32

    [upbeat music] The, the fact is we all wanna- [laughs] Of course, we would like to- We've got four to five billion people on the planet who want- Welcome to Ideas.

  4. Nahlah Ayed· Host0:50

    I'm Nahlah Ayed.

  5. Zipporah Berman· Guest0:51

    Four to five billion people on the planet want the same quality of life that we have. We all wanna believe that we can just- Of course, we would like to have this chance.

  6. Nahlah Ayed· Host1:00

    It can be dangerous to ask people what they want.

  7. Zipporah Berman· Guest1:05

    But I wanna get back to something you said about 70% of Canadians. We wanna be a strong economy in the G7.

  8. Carlos Morales· Guest1:10

    No, we want the best scenario that we can have.

  9. Nahlah Ayed· Host1:14

    Civilization depends on people suppressing their desires.

  10. Zipporah Berman· Guest1:18

    Sure.

  11. Nahlah Ayed· Host1:19

    Some of them anyway, some of the time.

  12. Amy Janzwood· Guest1:22

    Sorry to be such an academic about this.

  13. Nahlah Ayed· Host1:24

    And the news is full of people suggesting what they think we might want.

  14. Jackie Forrest· Guest1:29

    If people

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