Ben McKenzie and Sarah Matthews: We Are Drowning in Scam Artists
4/23/20261 hr 19 min
Trump has gone full “1984” with his claim that it’s a good thing that the Strait of Hormuz is closed. He also says that he saved some Iranian women from being executed, which the regime in Tehran called “fake news.” It’s a telling sign of the times when the public can’t figure out whether the White House or the Iranian regime is lying. Speaking of scam artists, Ben joins Tim to discuss his new film on cryptocurrency, "Everyone is Lying to You for Money." The industry is rife with crime, it sorely needs to be regulated, and some of the most unscrupulous people are behind it— including our president.
Ben McKenzie and Sarah Matthews join Tim Miller.
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show notes:
- More on Ben's film, "Everyone Is Lying to You for Money"
- Tim's interview with Ben from 2023
- Tim and Catherine on Tucker's despicable attack on Catherine
- David Kirkpatrick on Trump's $4 bil in profiteering off the presidency, mostly from crypto
- Tickets for our Bulwark Live shows in San Diego and LA in May: TheBulwark.com/Events
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First 90 secondsTim Miller· Host0:00
[upbeat music] Hello, and welcome to The Bulwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We've got a double header for you today. In segment two, teen heartthrob, uh, Ben McKenzie, AKA Ryan Atwood, uh, has a new movie out about crypto and how it's a big scam, and seems like he was pretty prescient on that front given what's happening in the White House. So that's a really fun conversation. Stick around for that. Uh, but first up, she was White House deputy press secretary in Trump's first term, but, you know, she did the right thing at the end, and we love that for her. And, uh, she's joined us at The Bulwark, thank God, uh, doing TikTok videos. If you're not following us on TikTok, what are you doing? Follow us on TikTok as well. She's doing some other stuff, and it's been overdue for her to join me on the podcast. It's my girl, Sarah Matthews. How you doing?
Sarah Matthews· Guest0:56
I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.
Tim Miller· Host0:58
All right, let's do it. We got some news items that we want to run through, but before we do that, I'm just curious if we're at, like... Are we at the regret stage yet? I... Whenever I go on sh- shows, people are like, "What do, what are people saying? What are the MAGA people saying?" I'm like, "None of them talk to me anymore." I was like, "It's been 10 years since I was a Republican." It was relatively more recently from, for you. You're in DC, you see these people every once in a while. Does anybody... Is it... Are you getting any whispers yet? Under... I, I feel like that's a good barometer for how bad things get, once Sarah Matthews starts to get some