All About the Woo
5/14/20261 hr 9 min
In the aftermath of the latest government UFO file release, Bryce and Brent decide to zig while everyone else is zagging. Rather than parsing another slow-drip document dump, they ask what may be waiting beyond the photos, videos, craft, crash retrievals, propulsion theories, and “show me the saucers” frustration. This episode turns from the nuts-and-bolts case for UFO reality toward the stranger territory of the woo factor — the part of the phenomenon that includes telepathy, synchronicity, remote viewing, out-of-body experiences, apparitions, orbs, time slips, prophetic dreams, poltergeists, cryptids, hitchhiker effects, and the unsettling possibility that the phenomenon may respond when we pay attention to it.
Using H.P. Lovecraft, Charles Fort, Jacques Vallée, John Keel, The Mothman Prophecies, Skinwalker Ranch, and a shelf full of deeply weird movies as portals, Bryce and Brent explore whether aliens, the paranormal, and the afterlife may not be separate mysteries at all. Brent lays out his theory that consciousness, energy, sound, light, and frequency may be the connective tissue between them, while Bryce recalls his own eerie Mothman Prophecies encounter in an Agoura Hills parking lot, when a menacing stranger in a long black duster walked past him and his young son carrying the exact obscure book Brent had just urged him to read.
Then the episode goes intensely personal. Brent describes a lifetime of impossible-to-file experiences, including witnessing six strangers die violently in front of him, a death outside the Dark Skies production offices that seemed to involve a soul or life-force passing through him, and a terrifying daylight bedroom attack by an Old Hag/Witch Rider entity that he insists was not sleep paralysis. Bryce adds his own uncanny “power of three” story from writing A.D. After Disclosure with Richard Dolan, before the conversation widens to Twin Peaks, Phenomenon, Picnic at Hanging Rock, Annihilation, Solaris, Coherence, The Nines, and A Ghost Story. The result is one of the show’s strangest and most revealing hours: an argument that the UFO mystery may not only be about what flies above us, but what looks back through consciousness itself.
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First 90 secondsBryce Zabel· Host0:00
Before we begin, please note that this episode contains discussions of suicide, mental health struggles, and related topics that some listeners may find distressing. Listener discretion is advised. If you or someone you know is struggling, help is available. You can call or text nine eight eight to reach the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline for free. Brent, I didn't actually see the Friday document video photo dump coming from the Trump disclosure movement or whatever. I didn't see that coming until it was, uh, almost upon me. How about yourself?
Brent Friedman· Host0:36
I'm actually more intrigued by two specific reactions. One was from one of our congresspeople who said, "Yeah, this initial stuff is not that exciting, but there's some big holy crap revelations that are coming down the pipeline." And I'm thinking, "What a strange thing to say. Yeah, forget about the stuff that you're getting on Friday. There's other stuff down the road." What is he talking about, and why would he- Right ... put it in that context? That's number one. Number two, if you remember earlier in the week before the dump, there was this story about, again, some congresspeople giving a private briefing to a bunch of pastors.
Bryce Zabel· Host1:11
Interesting.
Brent Friedman· Host1:11
Getting them ready for the- Right ... revelations that were coming down the pike, and it provoked a bunch of content on the internet about pastors coming out and saying that they were scared about what was coming but wanted to be prepared and prepare their flock. And I thought, "Wow, whatever is that holy crap revelation