544: How Good Men Lose Their Moral Compass
6/10/20261 hr 36 min
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Drawing from hard lessons learned during wartime, Jocko and Echo explore the psychological traps that cause individuals and organizations to drift from their values. A deep discussion on ethics, responsibility, leadership, and the warning signs that trouble is ahead.
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First 90 secondsJocko Willink· Host0:00
This is Jocko Podcast number 544 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.
Echo Charles· Host0:05
Good evening.
Jocko Willink· Host0:05
Now, the last pos- podcast we discussed, we were kinda discussing how people learn, and it was focused on sort of individual people learning skills. But while I was reading some background information about that, I found an interesting article about organizational learning that not only had some interesting information about learning, but being a learning organization, but also it, it gave some really good knowledge about some of the psychological and emotional challenges that a military unit, and thereby any team, maybe at a less extreme level, can face in stressful environments and also, you know, morally ambiguous environments. So we're gonna get into this. This is a article called Real, which is italicized, Real Lessons Learned for Leaders After Years of War, and it's written by Lieutenant Colonel Joe Doughty or Doughty, who's a PhD, US Army, retired, and Master Sergeant Jeffrey E. Fenlason or Fenlason, US Army. So couple guys, uh, put this together, and they say this: "The past 10 years plus of war have provided numerous opportunities for the Army to capture lessons learned for future leader development,