501: The Four Pillars — Tome at the Center of the Spiral

Brent Billings· Host0:00

[upbeat music] This is the Baymore Podcast with Marty Solomon. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today, I'm with Elle Grover Fricks to get the big picture about our holy book.

Elle Grover Fricks· Guest0:17

I'm so excited.

Brent Billings· Host0:19

Elle, you have promised me immediately before we started here that, uh, this is gonna be your weirdest episode ever.

Elle Grover Fricks· Guest0:24

Here's the thing. Normally, if it's just me presenting on something, I feel a healthy amount of pressure to, like, be real- well-rounded, to give- [laughs] ... like, a straightforward take, and maybe it's got a weird little appendage on it, but, like, everybody can grab hold of this thing.

Brent Billings· Host0:42

Yeah.

Elle Grover Fricks· Guest0:43

Not this time. [laughs] This time, there's two other episodes on the text that you can go listen to, which I'm pretty sure came out before my episode.

Brent Billings· Host0:52

Yes.

Elle Grover Fricks· Guest0:53

And so you're already equipped, dear listener, with what's reasonable. [laughs] [laughs] And so I'm here to call us to just entertain the possibility, just entertain the provocation that it might just be something a little bit bigger or a little bit different or wilder than we usually conceive. That's all.

Brent Billings· Host1:14

Okay. That sounds great.

Elle Grover Fricks· Guest1:16

Well, good, 'cause you have to listen to it. Nobody else does. I guess our- [laughs] ... audio engineer. But [clears throat] we're gonna start off by talking about this concept called spiral dynamics. Have