50 Million in Funding, 10,000 New Clinics, and the Mistake That Could Kill the Psychedelic Revolution | Dr. Rick Doblin
6/2/202648 min
Dr. Rick Doblin (founder and president of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, and one of the most influential figures in psychedelic science) returns to Mayim Bialik's Breakdown for one of the most controversial and eye-opening conversations on psychedelics we've had yet.
From the shocking experiment where scientists gave MDMA to an octopus, to why ibogaine may be the most powerful AND dangerous psychedelic ever studied, this episode explores the future of psychedelic therapy, trauma healing, addiction recovery, policy reform, and human consciousness itself.
We break down Trump’s new executive order accelerating psychedelic research and what it could mean for the future legalization of psychedelic-assisted therapy in America. Dr. Doblin explains why veterans suffering from PTSD and disabilities have become central to bipartisan support for psychedelics, and why this issue is now reshaping politics on both sides of the aisle.
We also dive deep into ibogaine: its mysterious origins, its ability to help reset opioid addiction, its connection to ancestral memory and intergenerational trauma, why it carries serious risks, and why Dr. Doblin still believes its benefits may outweigh the dangers. He also shares his own profound ibogaine experience that helped him confront perfectionism and his fear of death.
Dr. Doblin discusses:
- How psychedelics help people integrate trauma
- Why psychedelics are generally considered non-addictive
- Difference between recreational vs therapeutic psychedelic use
- Why psychedelic treatment should be customized to each patient
- Importance of integration, peer support, and paying attention to dreams after treatment
- Measures of success in MDMA-assisted couples therapy
- Origins of the opioid epidemic
- "Psychedelic churches": How organizations are openly operating under the umbrella of religion
- Capitalism vs democratizing the benefits of psychedelic medicine
- How a better psychedelic therapy model could be built
- Why transparency is critical for science-backed drug policy reform
- When psychedelics may realistically enter the open market
- Dr. Doblin’s long-term vision for a psychedelic-informed public
As psychedelic research rapidly expands worldwide, this conversation explores the science, politics, risks, ethics, and revolutionary potential behind one of the fastest-growing movements in mental health and medicine!
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First 90 secondsRick Doblin· Guest0:00
We're at a moment that has been building for well over half a century. Psychedelics were blossoming in the '60s, and then we have the Nixon crackdown. What's just happened for the first time is that the Republicans have become champions of psychedelics.
Mayim Bialik· Host0:14
We're not talking about tripping balls. We have the power to change your brain.
Rick Doblin· Guest0:18
There will be $50 million coming out of the federal government for psychedelic research. My prediction would be five to 10 years, there'll be 10,000 psychedelic clinics all over America.
Mayim Bialik· Host0:29
Dr. Rick Doblin is the founder and president of MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. His goal is to harness psychedelics to change the way we think, feel, and live.
Rick Doblin· Guest0:40
One in six Americans is on an SSRI. New drugs for mental illnesses are about controlling symptoms and not getting to the root cause. The goal is for therapists to be cross-trained in LSD, MDMA, psilocybin, and then they customize treatments. The big worry about the for-profit psychedelic companies is they wanna run away from therapy. When you don't do therapy, you don't take advantage of the neuroplasticity. People need to buy more of the drug. That's this capitalism versus altruism. We want a psychedelically literate population that has learned about psychedelics for prevention, spirituality, connection. You don't change an old model by criticizing it. You change it by creating a better new model.
Jonathan Cohen· Host1:21
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Mayim Bialik· Host1:27
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