489: Michael Easter—The Hard Way
6/16/20261 hr 57 min
Why do so many of the things that make us stronger, healthier, and happier require doing things the hard way? Mike sits down with bestselling author, journalist, and researcher Michael Easter to explore the surprising benefits of discomfort, challenge, and voluntary hardship in a world engineered for convenience. Easter, whose work has appeared in Men's Health, Outside, Esquire, and Scientific American, discusses the ideas behind his bestselling books The Comfort Crisis and Scarcity Brain, along with his newest release, Walk with Weight: The Definitive Guide to Rucking. From carrying heavy loads to carrying life's burdens, Michael explains why the easiest path is rarely the most rewarding—and why embracing difficulty might be the key to a better life.
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First 90 secondsMike Rowe· Host0:00
[upbeat music] Hey, it's The Way I Heard It. I'm Mike Rowe. And Chuck, it occurs to me- Yes ... as we delve into the preamble for today's very special guest, that I have been crossing names off of a list in my mind, and the list consists of people who I've interviewed before, but never in person.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:23
Oh, yeah.
Mike Rowe· Host0:24
Right?
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:25
And today you got to cross another one off.
Mike Rowe· Host0:27
Yeah.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:28
Actually, you got to cross off two, but [laughs] I did do two today.
Mike Rowe· Host0:31
Let's not speak of the other one yet.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:33
Yeah.
Mike Rowe· Host0:33
We'll save him for another time, or perhaps you've already heard him. Difficult to know. But this guy I bet you do know if you're a friend of the podcast. His name is Michael Easter. He's an author. I met him a few years ago at some sort of event. We were long distance, still in the lockdowns, and he was talking about a book he had written called The Comfort Crisis.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:53
Great book.
Mike Rowe· Host0:53
It really is good, man.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:55
Yeah.
Mike Rowe· Host0:55
It's a very solid, solid, fun read that has a lot of thoughtful information in it, but at its heart makes a very simple argument that if you have an easy button within reach, you can press it, but there will be some unintended consequences.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host1:14
Right.
Mike Rowe· Host1:15
[laughs] Hitting the easy button almost never leads to any long-term benefit.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host1:20
Yeah.
Mike Rowe· Host1:21
And, and we all know this. You know, these, these are lessons we've been drilled into our brains growing up, but boy, it's easy to forget, and especially today when the easy way