475: Jan Jekielek—Killed to Order
3/17/20261 hr 40 min
Mike talks with Jan Jekielek, senior editor at The Epoch Times and host of American Thought Leaders, to discuss his new book, Killed to Order: China's Organ Harvesting Industry and the True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary. It's an explosive investigation into allegations of state-sanctioned organ harvesting in China. Jan shares what he's learned from years of interviews with doctors, investigators, and even survivors of this gruesome industry where political prisoners are killed for their organs. The conversation is a rumination on good versus evil, raising urgent questions about human rights and medical ethics. Referenced in this episode is Jan's previous appearance on TWIHI 438: Jan Jekielek—The Terrible Truth About China
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First 90 secondsMike Rowe· Host0:00
[bass music] It's The Way I Heard It with me, Mike Rowe, Chuck Klausmeyer standing by to push all the buttons. Actually, that's not true. You've already pushed the buttons, and you've already heard the conversation that's unfolded, and you, it appears, are no less gobsmacked than I.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host0:15
No, I love this guy. I love what he does. I love the honesty with which he talks about it. I love, uh, the heart that he has about this because he's really trying to save people's lives is what he's trying to do.
Mike Rowe· Host0:29
Jan Jekielek, uh, is on a mission, has been for as long as I've known him. He's, um, I think he's the chief editor over at, uh- Epic Times ... and he has a show called American Thought Leaders- Yep ... which I've been on once or twice, and I've gotten to know the guy over the last few years. And early on, he confided in me that the, um, the issue of his life is the organ harvesting that has been happening for a few decades now in China.
Chuck Klausmeyer· Host1:00
Yeah.
Mike Rowe· Host1:00
And, you know, ugh, I don't know what to do with that kind of information. [laughs] You think you know a guy, and he tells you that ninety thousand political prisoners are being killed to order, literally. You know, he's talking about the Falun Gong and the Uyghurs and a giant population of people who have been incarcerated, whose blood has been typed, whose tissues have been tested- Yeah ... and who are essentially just standing by to be harvested for