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Making Sense with Sam Harris

#458 — The Bulwark Against MAGA

2/11/202659 min

Sam Harris speaks with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller about Trump and the future of American politics. They discuss the origins of The Bulwark, the bewildering psychology of Trump's base, the new era of authenticity, memory-holing January 6th, how media broke politics, why Kamala Harris should never run again, the difference between America First and MAGA, potential 2028 Democratic candidates, and other topics.

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Clips

Showing 10 of 12
Republican Triangle of Doom
From Jan. 6 to Justification
Why Ben Can’t Pivot
Sarah’s Verdict on Shapiro
Rationalization Is A Helluva Drug
Candace’s Outlandish Playbook
Comedy, Community, Radicalization
Why Hypocrisy Doesn’t Register
Tucker’s Hand In Vance
Grief Policed For Clout

Transcript preview

First 90 seconds

  1. Sam Harris· Host0:00

    [gentle music] Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Just a note to say that if you're hearing this, you're not currently on our subscriber feed, and will only be hearing the first part of this conversation. In order to access full episodes of the Making Sense Podcast, you'll need to subscribe at samharris.org. We don't run ads on the podcast, and therefore it's made possible entirely through the support of our subscribers. So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. I'm here with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller. Sarah, Tim, thanks for joining me.

  2. Sarah Longwell· Guest0:40

    Great to be here.

  3. Tim Miller· Guest0:41

    It's been years I've been waiting for this invite. [laughs] And I have to share it with Sarah.

  4. Sam Harris· Host0:44

    Well, yeah, exactly.

  5. Sarah Longwell· Guest0:46

    [laughs] Oh, so hard for you.

  6. Sam Harris· Host0:48

    Well, um, you're in good company. I, I gotta say, I, first of all, I'm just huge fans of, uh, both of you. I, I... Tim, you interviewed me on one of your podcasts, uh, I don't know how long ago that was, but I don't think I'd heard you before that interview. I haven't gone back to watch that, but I really didn't realize I was in the company of greatness when you were interviewing me.

  7. Tim Miller· Guest1:05

    [laughs] Oh, God.

  8. Sam Harris· Host1:07

    But you, the two of you have just been going after Trump and Trumpism so, uh, uh, entertainingly with hammer and tong for, um, I mean, you know, you've been doing it longer than I think I've noticed. But for the last, uh, year or so, I've been, um, I've been watching you closely, and it's really, it's just... I, I'm tempted to just walk out of the studio now and let you guys just, uh- [laughs] ... roll and do an episode of the Bulwark Podcast

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