2026 Update: Frederick J. Brown
5/21/202637 min
Maia found a painting in the garbage and took it home. But as it turned out, it wasn’t just any painting.
In this update, Kalila learns that she might have been looking at the painting all wrong.
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This episode was hosted and produced by Kalila Holt, along with Jonathan Goldstein. Our supervising producer is Stevie Lane. Production help from Damiano Marchetti. Special thanks to Sam Reisman, Emily Condon, Alex Blumberg, Lydia Polgreen, Marcy Flynn, Karl McCool, Caitlin Kenney, and Kayla Lattimore. The show was mixed by Bobby Lord. Music by Christine Fellows, John K Samson, Blue Dot Sessions, Michael Hearst, Sun Shapes, and Bobby Lord. Our theme song is by The Weakerthans courtesy of Epitaph Records. Mixing on this update by Sarah Bruguiere.
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First 90 secondsJonathan Goldstein· Host0:00
[intro music] Pushkin.
Kalila Holt· Host0:06
Hi.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:12
Hello.
Kalila Holt· Host0:13
Um, today we're gonna revisit an episode that, that I reported. It's called Frederick J. Brown.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:21
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Kalila Holt· Host0:23
Uh, it's about art. It's about a painting.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:25
Amazing. I love art. You know that, right?
Kalila Holt· Host0:27
Yeah, you're always talking about how much you love art.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:30
Is that true?
Kalila Holt· Host0:30
No.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:31
Oh. I don't, you know, wanna become one of those art bores. Well, are we talking about, like, fine art? Because, you know- I thought we were talking about fine art, yeah ... there's all kinds of different art.
Kalila Holt· Host0:39
Well, sure, this is art in a way, this conversation we're having right now.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:43
Well, let's not get crazy.
Kalila Holt· Host0:45
[laughs] I feel like a real dilettante around art, but I do like it.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:50
You like it. You d- you wouldn't say you love it.
Kalila Holt· Host0:52
I just don't know that I'm knowledgeable enough.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:54
You don't have to be.
Kalila Holt· Host0:56
Okay. Then I guess I love it.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host0:57
Who do you think loves it more, me or you?
Kalila Holt· Host1:00
Probably you.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host1:00
Really?
Kalila Holt· Host1:01
Maybe just 'cause of, uh, this is gonna sound rude, but your added years of experience.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host1:06
Sure, I've had a lot of time and [laughs] [laughs] ... fame of ogling art.
Kalila Holt· Host1:11
Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host1:12
You know, um, you might be surprised to learn that, um, a person like myself- Mm-hmm ... I'm not much of an art snob in the sense that I believe that everybody possesses artistic and creative ability.
Kalila Holt· Host1:26
Wow. That's beautiful.
Jonathan Goldstein· Host1:27
Now I'm off my high horse.